I am really enjoyed reading this book Alhamdulillah.
Having re read Dune and reviewed it here on GR recently, I figured I should continue and read at least the initial trilogy with Dune Messiah and Children of Dune to get a better idea of the world that Frank Herbert created I am glad that I read Dune Messiah It is an excellent novel about destiny and fate and how much of it we can control We get insight into the Navigators here I noticed that, unlike in Dune, we actually meet a Navigator one of the three primary conspirators against Paul Maud dib which means that David Lynch most have read this book as well before making his cult classic movie of the first book We also learn about the Bene Geserits and the Mentats I found it particularly fascinating that the Butlerian Jihad, which takes place a few hundred years before the action in Dune and Dune Messiah, was actually, if I understood correctly, a war of humans against machines which the humans won Following this victory, computers were banished from the known universe and instead Mentats and Navigators inspired by melange made from spice were bred to be human computers for political and financial strategy in the former case, and for navigation in space time for the latter This fascinated me because I have read and watched so much science fiction where the machines win or are winning such as in Ghost in the Shell or Neuromancer, or Blade Runner, or Hyperion and Dune is one of the rare universes where humans won and yet, at what cost Banning machines seems to have brought humans back to a medieval society with its aristocracies House Corrino, House Harkkonen, House Atreides and oppression and genetic manipulation Bene Gesserit And once the Fremen rally around Paul to destroy two of the three houses and install Paul as the new Emperor and as the Dune Messiah, is this new regime really a new start for humanity or just another autocratic regime It sure looks like that latter and we get inklings of this as the Fremen go spread the Gospel of their Maud dib and subsequently spilling not just a little blood All of these things continue to torture Paul as they did in Dune and yet he is inevitably driven forward by this messianic destiny Enter the conspiracy of a Bene Gesserit priestess, a rogue Navigator and a strange Face Dancer who want to topple Paul s regime, well specifically kill his Fremen wife and force him to sleep with his sister Alia ewww so as to continue the genetic engineering project and re install the old regime over which each had control than under Paul Another piece of the puzzle here is the reappearance of Duncan Idaho, mentor and friend to Paul as a Zensunni master which has unintended consequences Zensunnism in itself is a fascinating blend of Sunni Islam and Zen Buddhism that also is followed by the Freman In essence, Herbert created a universe where classic monarchal hegemonies come into conflict with religious fanatics in a sense we can see the Fremen hordes as marauding Zen Buddhist priests in ancient Japan fighting the Emperor, well that is one image that came into my mind anyway, so as not to wear out the old Western capitalism vs Islamic obscurantism trope While perhaps less expansive and mind blowing than the first Dune, Dune Messiah still delivers punches as a great plot with convincing characters and lots of philosophical questions On to Children of Dune I have since finished the whole canonical series and enjoyed all of it.
Amazing books, Dune Messiah By Frank Herbert This Is Very Good And Becomes The Main Topic To Read, The Readers Are Very Takjup And Always Take Inspiration From The Contents Of The Book Dune Messiah , Essay By Frank Herbert Is Now On Our Website And You Can Download It By Register What Are You Waiting For Please read And Make A Refission For You So I thought Dune was the best thing since the bound codex, right And I read it about five times over the course of my young adulthood And then I read Messiah and was pretty much completely dissatisfied Not enough to give it a poor rating, since it is interesting I mean, we all still care about Paul, even if he is a whiner and it did keep my attention.
You haven t seen foreshadowing until you ve read Dune Messiah It takes that to a whole new, grotesque level And pretentiousness Thought Dune was pretentious Hah This one makes Dune look like a chimney sweep in comparison It s as though Frank Herbert managed to make a blunt weapon out of pretentiousness and use it directly on the reader s mind.
My final impression was of just another massive philosophical acid trip consisting of a bunch of people smarter than me bandying hints and portentous minutiae in the middle of a half realized desert wonderland for over three hundred pages And I didn t really care about Duncan Idaho, anyway, since he was only in Dune for like forty pages and he only spoke about twice Telling me ten times in a row that Paul really really liked Idaho is not going to make me feel the same way about him, Frank Herbert Now I m afraid to read number three.
Dune MessiahBy Frank HerbertA Dune Retrospective by Eric AllenFour years after the publication of Dune, those who cried out for a sequel were finally answered Frank Herbert returned to Arrakis for a book that was very different from the action packed first volume of the series, but at the same time, still held a lot of the familiar When I tell people that I actually enjoyed the sequel to Dune than the original, the answer I get from the overwhelming majority is, Wait Dune has a sequel People know of Dune nowadays through the 1984 cult classic movie Some people may be vaguely aware that the movie was based on a book, but never bothered to pick it up or look for sequels Which is a shame, because they re missing out on this little gem of a book.
Twelve years after taking the throne of the empire for himself in Dune, Paul Muad Dib Atreides has become something of a God, or Savior figure to the Fremen, who have taken up arms and spread out throughout the entire known universe bringing a Holy War to subjugate all beneath his rule All of this, very much against Paul s own wishes He has become a figurehead, standing atop the empire as Emperor, while priests of the religion that worships him rule in his name He has made good his promise to begin turning Dune into a paradise, and now the desert runs freely with water Another sign to his followers of his godhood.
Princess Irulan, Paul s trophy wife, and the means by which he secured the throne is anxious to follow her Bene Gesserit orders to bear the royal heir, but Paul has no love for her and refuses it to her, instead remaining true to his real, Fremen wife Chani This leads Irulan to join a conspiracy against the Emperor, meant to discredit him, destroy his reputation, and take the wind out of the Fremen Zealots sails Out of spite, she has been feeding Chani contraceptives to prevent her from ever bearing Paul an heir, but this plan failed, and Chani conceived anyway view spoiler It is discovered that Fremen are part of the conspiracy against Paul, and while meeting with a man to get the names, Paul is blinded in an attempt on his life Through the powers of his oracular sight, he can still see, though his body is blind.
Long story short, after Chani dies in childbirth, Paul wanders into the desert alone, blind and broken, never to be seen again, and leaving the Empire in the hands of his sister Alia until his children are old enough to assume rule hide spoiler Twelve years have passed since the evens of the last book Paul Atreides became an Emperor of the major part of the inhabited space worlds residing on planet Arrakis aka Dune The Jihad he launched enveloped lots of planets and Paul realized it is often so much easier to start something than put an end to it Literally everybody and their brother with even residual lust for power decided Paul the Emperor had overstayed his welcome the time for good old conspiracies of all sorts had come The first thing that came to my mind and stayed there through the whole reading was the radical change of the meaning of word Jihad since the book publication It completely lost it mystique and became synonymous with expression lots of innocents killed just because, often brutally For this reason my perception of Paul was different from what the author intended even though I tried to keep in mind the original intention of Frank Herbert Before I wrote my review I looked though those of other people and one person really nailed it I could not have said it better myself and so I just repeat it here Paul feels exactly like Harry Potter hard to believe the comparison, is not it from Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix I even included the image of the book for you to make sure you read it right They are both full of angst At least the Hogwarts student has a legitimate excuse he is of the right age which Paul should have overgrown a long time ago A conclusion follows if you like fifth installment of Harry Potter for its angst, this book is for you The first book has shown us the great world that feels alive It had action, adventure, and flat characters with a sole exception of Paul himself I could also include Jessica here given enough pressure to do so The good news is the quality of the characters remained the same some of the promising ones are gone into background never to appear explicitly here Of action and adventure there was no trace left The only part which could be called action I am really stretching the definition here took about a couple of pages total So what exactly was going on during 200 remaining pages Paul s inaction, this is what Let me explain Paul could see the future Well, except the times when he could not see it not to spoil the plot device So he knew about a conspiracy, for example He also knew about its main people He could also see that removing main conspirator A would mean Really Bad Things for Paul down the road The same can be said about conspirator B At this point I have no idea why not to remove all of the conspirators This would take care of the whole problem, would not it Paul, apparently having never heard about a man being a master of his destiny, decided to remain passive Angst ensures I am afraid I made this book sound much worse than it actually is After all, it is still Dune and some interesting developments took place It did set the scene for interesting things to come and my resolve to continue with the series has not weakened any It is just that I expected something different from this book.
Dune Messiah Dune 2 , Frank HerbertDune Messiah is a science fiction novel by American writer Frank Herbert, the second in his Dune series of six novels Twelve years after the events described in Dune 1965 , Paul Muad Dib Atreides rules as Emperor By accepting the role of messiah to the Fremen, Paul had unleashed a jihad which conquered most of the known universe While Paul is the most powerful emperor ever known, he is powerless to stop the lethal excesses of the religious juggernaut he has created Although 61 billion people have perished, Paul s prescient visions indicate that this is far from the worst possible outcome for humanity Motivated by this knowledge, Paul hopes to set humanity on a course that will not inevitably lead to stagnation and destruction, while at the same time acting as ruler of the empire and focal point of the Fremen religion 2018 1397 320 9786001823244 1398 20.
I said in my review of Dune that one of the things I really appreciated was that it could be viewed on so many different levels, from political, philosophical, scientific, or simply as a fantastic adventure novel and it works so well, no matter which angle you look at it from, because Herbert treats each of them as equally important While writing the sequel, I think Herbert must have considered it and said something along the lines of, Yeah, that was great now let s pretty much ignore everything that wasn t philosophy I exaggerate of course Elements of those other aspects are still in place, but the story this time around is from people sitting at tables and discussing the existence of fate and ways to avoid prophesy rather than overthrowing evil barons In fact, there are times where I felt that it hardly seems like a full novel, and like a series of short scenes Herbert wrote, pat himself on the back over how clever they were and then decided to try to tie them all together Now some of you may be sitting there going, oh, I guess that means you didn t like it then Tim HA I say The philosophy was what appealed to me the most of those aspects mentioned in Dune I can read about people sitting at tables and talking for hours But yeah, I d be lying if I said there weren t a few parts where it got a bit old, and I wished for the descriptions of the desert, the plots within plots within plots but by the end, I was satisfied as they were there all along, you just have to look closer to see them in play In fact, by the end I realized that it was an extremely well developed novel, and that it was I who was at fault for not seeing the intricacies at play Herbert demands your full attention to see what s going on all around.
Which brings me to the thing Herbert does best in this novel one of the big aspects of the Dune series thus far is that he gives you every main character thought process There is no main POV character in each chapter, he will give you the thoughts of everyone, thus showing who thinks they are fooling who and who is actually fooled He does this and he plays it fair the entire time, yet still manages to hide plot points in plain sight, and it is extremely well played The first book was a masterpiece in terms of world building, here that takes a backseat to prophesies and philosophy, but Herbert does manage to introduce at least one fascinating new aspect to his universe The Face Dancers are introduced as assassins and shape shifters One can walk into the room a pudgy male guard and leave as a small servant girl They take contracts, but with a sense of honor and a condition they must always leave the would be victim with an opportunity to escape They need to know they are in danger and must be presented with an out I find this new aspect fascinating and would have loved to see a bit of a focus on them I want to close this review by briefly describing my favorite scene in the entire book it is one of the scenes where people sit and talk at tables An older Fremen discusses why he joined up in Paul s campaign It wasn t glory or the spoils of war it was because some of his friends described the sea, and he couldn t believe it He felt it must be a prank He then goes on to describe it to a character who has been to many worlds and obviously seen the sea many times, but the character finds himself absorbed in the Fremen s words and realizes that he s experiencing this description in an unusual way, lost in the story and seeing it with new eyes I couldn t help but smile, as Herbert made me feel the same way For a brief moment I forgot I was reading, and could hear this old voice telling me about the sea A well earned 4 5 stars, but with the notation for those who fell in love with the first novel that this is not a sweeping epic This is a small chamber piece just, you know, with giant sand worms.
Buddy read with AthenaOnce the drama beginsThe Emperor Paul Muad dib on his ascension to the Lion ThroneTwelve years have passed since the Battle of Arrakeen, where Paul Atreides wrestled the Imperium from the hands of the Padishah Emperor, and seized the Lion Throne for himself Dune has become the political and economical centre of the universe, and the Qizarate priesthood has spread Muad dib s name throughout space and turned him into not only an emperor with absolute power, but a god in his own right.
Yet there are those who would topple the god emperor from his religious throne In the grand circles of power, a new conspiracy arises from the shadows Its goals and ambitions are many, and it seeks to infiltrate the ranks of the Atreides and the Fremen, striking at those closest to the emperor in order to remove him from power And each step brings its plans closer to succeedingMysterious, lethal, an oracle without eyes,Catspaw of prophecy, whose voice never diesDune Messiah is, in many ways, even better than Dune It cannot stand up to the wonder of discovering the world of Arrakis for the first time, but it certainly has other strengths The setting and the writing style is mostly the same as in the first book The story though, has changed dramatically The first book is about Paul Atreides and his quest for vengeance against those who betrayed his family and seized their land The second book is about managing an empire and protecting it from a devilishly dangerous conspiracy who shuns no means to achieve what they want There is political maneuvering, hidden agendas, and excitement for the reader.
The character have also grown interesting in the second book Paul, Chani and Irulan are all older and experienced in the games of power, and were much enjoyable to read about than they were in the first one And perhaps the most fascinating character of them all is Alia, Paul s sister Still only fifteen years of age, she is both a Reverend Mother of the Bene Gesserit, a leader of the Qizarate priesthood, and a powerful voice in the Imperial Council.
What truly made me decide to let this book keep the five stars from the first time I read it, was the ending I will not go into details about it, but only say that this may be the most beautiful ending I have ever read in a sci fi or fantasy book ever.
For those of you who have read Dune and are debating with yourselves whether or not to read its sequels, I hope this review will be helpful in deciding For those of you who haven t read any of the books from this universe, know that it is in my eyes one of the greatest fictional series of all time I would definitely recommend it to every single one of you, because it s a wonderful story with few equals in the world of science fiction Such a rich store of myths enfolds Paul Muad dib, the Mentat Emperor, and his sister, Alia, it is difficult to see the real persons behind these veils But there were, after all, a man born Paul Atreides and a woman born Alia Their flesh was subject to space and time And even though their oracular powers placed them beyond the usual limits of time and space, they came from human stock They experienced real events which left real traces upon a real universe To understand them, it must be seen that their catastrophe was the catastrophe of all mankind This work is dedicated, then, not to Muad dib or his sister, but to their heirs to all of us.
Dedication in the Muad dib Concordance as copied from The Tabla Memorium of the Mahdi Spirit Cult
So, last time I had my family murdered by our hereditary enemies, I went into hiding in the desert too, and linked up with the tough native fighters there I mean, who wouldn t Since I had psychic powers, it seemed pretty crazy not to use them to gain some respect Before I knew what had happened, I was the clan s leader And, you get some momentum, you want to keep it up, otherwise you just go backwards Suddenly I found I was ruling the planet I didn t expect it to be quite so easy to conquer the known Universe, but that bit always catches you by surprise.
On the way, I met this girl I liked her, she liked me, well, you know how these things happen She gets pregnant Then, shit, I go and of course lose my sight in some kind of nuclear attack I m just kicking myself for being so careless Girlfriend dies in childbirth, par for the course, and since she has twins all my psychic powers are gone I keep meaning to find out why that happens, but I never get round to it.
Oh well, I guess I ll be left to die in the wilderness as usual, and the kids will turn into godlike mutant sandworms Never mind I ll try to do better next time.